backchannel: responses to Is the RTR dead?

> Opinions are great,

My take is that in the larger community worshipful opinions on Bob/CRVL are accepted without question, lots of nodding heads. Criticism gets the hackles up,
emotionally speaking.
“Abandoned”: Bob’s attention was focused squarely on the forum before the ascendance of YT: he posted near-daily. Then he stopped posting for months (five months, at least, when I disabled my account). He left the forum broken for months while he focused on YT. I can’t give you exact date ranges since folks who aren’t logged in can’t see posting histories. You can check for yourself to see if he’s returned to his pre-YT level of involvement:

“Forbade”: “Fellas, you are totally welcome to have any gathering you want. BUT… RTR is a Registered Trademark that I own and I am NOT going to give you permission to use it.” [EMPHASIS in the original]
Bob is emotionally driven by his concerns for women in (real or perceived) need. It’s literally part of his “origin story”. And that’s cool, do what ya want with one’s own platform.. As for me I prefer to treat people equally, and will call out people who do otherwise.

“Cult”: “[an org with] followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader.” – wordnik
A little on the nose, if you ask me.

> Strong words with heavy emotional charges.

Maybe. I’ll point out that phrases like “the usual naysayers”, “especially inspired every year by women who face their fears”, “throwing the BS”, or “How anyone can believe that is beyond me.” aren’t precisely emotionally neutral.

> I’ll ask for specific examples, screenshots

See above

> direct experience.

I’ve attended precisely as many RTR as the author has, and we both live in vehicles. My posting history on CRVL forums is visible under user “fratermus”. It may not be as long as your posting history there; perhaps you could share your forum username.

My praise and criticism of CRVL is available on my blog:
This post is representative of my position that “feelz > realz” does a disservice to new ‘dwellers:

backchannel: peace in the forum

My praise and criticism of CRVL youtube posts is available under “frater mus”.

I have repeatedly encouraged new folk to attend at least one RTR, and I still do. I make the recommendation because exposure to experienced dwellers with functional builds is incredibly valuable.

> “they just don’t get it.”

There can be a lot of daylight between “disagreeing” and “not getting it”. This is a fundament of good faith discussion.

2020 RTR

The event will be held at the La Paz County Fairground, which is half way between Parker, Arizona, and Quartzsite, Arizona. It’s very near the intersection where Highway 95, heading straight north from Quartzsite, meets Highway 72 at a traffic light. To get to the Fairground, you go north through the light onto Center Ave (straight through if coming from Quartzsite, turn left if coming from Parker, turn right if coming from Bouse). The dates are January 18-27 for the RTR and January 14-17 for the WRTR.

From the description on this video.

I do not plan to attend any more.  The RTR was useful while it was an informal thing on the CRVL forum.  People had to be interested and involved to know about it.  Then Bob started talking about it on youtube and it exploded into the crowded, clueless, hand-holding, control-freaked monstrosity it is now.  Then he abandoned the forum.

I’ll remind onlookers once again that Bob supports a WRTR while saying he will “never” give male ‘dwellers permission to do a MRTR.  The privilege is practically dripping off me at this point.

Waffle House

I am meandering towards the RTR.

Saw a Waffle House and cut across 4 lanes, across a ditch, over several saguaro, and into the WH lot. I think there are a couple burros stuck in my grill; will check after I get these hash browns into my mouf.

Winter RTR 2018: lessons learned

I’ve had time to think about and integrate some lessons learned from the Winter 2018 RTR<tm>.    It’s time to start documenting those lessons.

Shakedown cruise

I took 2.5 weeks vacation planned around the RTR.  I wanted to have plenty of free time and flexibility to make a comfortable drive between Texas and Arizona.

The RTR trip was the first extended offgrid experience in my van.  In total, Continue reading “Winter RTR 2018: lessons learned”

Escape from RTR

Yesterday I started getting antsy about being around that many people. In today’s announcements Bob said BLM conservatively estimates 3000 folks attended so far.

I stopped by the RV Pit Stop for some fresh water.  Got about 20gal for ~$3 in change;  pretty sure it dispenses way more than a gallon for each “gallon”.  After that splurged on a local BBQ Continue reading “Escape from RTR”

RTR goals, seminar video

There are many reasons I wanted to physically attend the RTR.  Let’s see if I can put them in order during my first cuppa coffee:

  1. put the campervan a real multi-day off-grid wringer
  2. see many other builds for ideas
  3. take first vacation in many years
  4. meet jimindenver from CRVL
  5. meet a few people from youtube:  Crystal Vanner  & Ausia.
  6. burn off vacation hours from work before I lose them

It’s all going very well.  The only thing that hasn’t worked out Continue reading “RTR goals, seminar video”

Found a new spot, Stan, off-leash dog

Got up at daybreak, took a sink bath, and looked for a new place to camp.  Found a spot that might work:  full solar exposure (no saguaros throwing shade!), level enough, etc.

Hit Vabs around 9:35a today;  currently putting 5.1A into the bank, charging laptop, etc.


I met Stan, who is Sasnak on YT.  Interesting and friendly fellow.  He’s putting 100w of solar on his custom sleeper 18w (today?) which I think will help get some Absorption into his bank.

Stan has some neat ideas for a YT series;  I won’t spoil it here.  I am subscriber #790 on his channel.  🙂


A white Lhasa (Tommy?) was bopping around off-leash.  Crapped beside the road and peed on a neighbor’s stuff.  “He never does that”, said the owner (entirely predictably) while walking up to fetch him.  Well, you never see him do that because he is off leash out of your sight.



Had to move from a secluded spot

[note:  I apologize for my grouchiness when I wrote this.   I went back and softened the most obnoxious part – frater/jason].


Apparently I was one road too far south.  I got a lovenote from the Rangers saying I was in day use only.

Went through the main area looking for a spot.  My special thanks to the folks who have roped/rocked/bucketed off massive spaces near the main camp so they can have wide spans between vehicles.  Area around the main camp is at a premium;  don’t be a [space-hog].

I ended up in Music camp, which gives me anxiety just thinking about it.  I have earplugs, antidepressants, and have parked away from others.  If that’s not sufficient I’ll figure something else out.

It’s raining and I’m going to take a nap.